From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:10:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20080828161040.GH18340@parisc-linux.org> References: <7vprnzt7d5.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219664940.9583.42.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> <7vr68b8q9p.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080827001705.GG23698@parisc-linux.org> <20080827225233.GA11005@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Russell King , Junio C Hamano , Jeff King , David Woodhouse , git@vger.kernel.org, users@kernel.org To: Johannes Schindelin X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Aug 28 18:12:13 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYk6N-0007ix-Ey for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:12:03 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753556AbYH1QK6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:10:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752952AbYH1QK5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:10:57 -0400 Received: from palinux.external.hp.com ([192.25.206.14]:37516 "EHLO mail.parisc-linux.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750746AbYH1QK5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:10:57 -0400 Received: by mail.parisc-linux.org (Postfix, from userid 26919) id C29DE494005; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 05:34:43PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Russell King wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:17:05PM -0600, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > > We didn't know the conversation was going on. Why should we? We only > > > use the tool, not develop it. I'm also not on the mailing lists for > > > mutt, vim, gcc, binutils, openssh, grep, xchat, mozilla, gnome, xpdf or > > > any of the dozens of other programs I use on a daily basis. > > > > Well said Matthew, as a git _user_ I completely agree. > > So are you effectively saying that we should have asked on all the mailing > list of existing and potential Git users to ask their opinions? No. I'm effectively saying that *you shouldn't break backwards compatibility*. Ever. It only annoys people. Including: - The maintainer who has to listen to all this whining - Everyone who gets this thread cc'd in their inbox - People who hadn't been informed of the new way of doing things - People who thought they'd got their own way and now have to suffer the 'silent majority' speaking up. - Linus -- Matthew Wilcox Intel Open Source Technology Centre "Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this operating system, but compare it to ours. We can't possibly take such a retrograde step."