From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Delvare Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:20:39 +0200 Message-ID: <20080826192039.5ffa6eec@hyperion.delvare> References: <7vprnzt7d5.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219664940.9583.42.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> <1219764860.4471.13.camel@gaara.bos.redhat.com> <1219766398.7107.87.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080826182349.0a1a75e2@hyperion.delvare> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: David Woodhouse , Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?B?SPhn?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?c2Jlcmc=?= , Johannes Schindelin , users@kernel.org, Jeff King , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org To: Takashi Iwai X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue Aug 26 19:22:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KY2FF-0001Zn-PZ for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:22:18 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756920AbYHZRVN convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:21:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756903AbYHZRVN (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from zone0.gcu-squad.org ([212.85.147.21]:45907 "EHLO services.gcu-squad.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755857AbYHZRVM convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:21:12 -0400 Received: from jdelvare.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.121.182] helo=hyperion.delvare) by services.gcu-squad.org (GCU Mailer Daemon) with esmtpsa id 1KY3Cq-0008WH-9N (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (envelope-from ) ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:23:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.6; x86_64-suse-linux-gnu) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:50:25 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > At Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:49 +0200, > Jean Delvare wrote: > >=20 > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:59:58 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:34 -0400, Kristian H=F8gsberg wrote: > > > > It's pretty normal to see opponents of a decision like this com= plain > > > > loudly when it lands on their system, whereas the silent majori= ty in > > > > favour will be happy to see the change finally implemented but = reluctant > > > > to stir up the discussion again. > > > >=20 > > > > I don't think new arguments are brought to the discussion, just= new > > > > people, who are temporarily inconvened by a change towards sani= ty. > > >=20 > > > Nice emotive response, especially the subtle but unsubstantiated = 'silent > > > majority in favour' bit -- but you forgot the part where you were > > > supposed to actually point out a tangible benefit which is achiev= ed by > > > breaking compatibility like this. > > >=20 > > > And no, reducing the size of /usr/bin by a tiny fraction isn't re= ally a > > > worthwhile benefit -- in reality, the 'silent majority' really co= uldn't > > > give a monkey's left testicle about that, and breakage caused by = the > > > gratuitous change _far_ outweighs any minuscule improvement. > >=20 > > Reducing /usr/bin in size was totally worthwhile. Maybe not to you,= but > > to the silent majority I am a proud member of, it was. (I'm not say= ing > > that the path that was taken to get there was optimal, just that th= e > > goal was sound.) > >=20 > > I just can't think of any other tool which installs over 100 binari= es > > (or scripts, that's the same) in /usr/bin. Can you? >=20 > netpbm has almost 300 in /usr/bin. Ouch. (I guess I shouldn't have asked.) Does netpbm do anything convert (ImageMagick) doesn't? I'd be happy to get rid of netpbm. (Sorry for getting off-topic.) --=20 Jean Delvare