From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff King Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> References: <7vprnzt7d5.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219664940.9583.42.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Johannes Schindelin , David Woodhouse , git@vger.kernel.org, users@kernel.org To: Junio C Hamano X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue Aug 26 16:58:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KY002-0003ed-Ov for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:58:27 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754362AbYHZO5W (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754303AbYHZO5W (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:22 -0400 Received: from peff.net ([208.65.91.99]:2062 "EHLO peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754039AbYHZO5V (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 30709 invoked by uid 111); 26 Aug 2008 14:57:20 -0000 Received: from coredump.intra.peff.net (HELO coredump.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.2) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:20 -0400 Received: by coredump.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:57:19 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:41:57PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > Umm. What exactly makes you feel you should ignore the discussions we had > > around the issues on the git and msysgit mailing list? > > Well, this was partly my fault, as I did not make it clear in this part > that beating the horse that has been dead for two years is not a > productive way to spend out time. I however did, in the part David did > not quote, try to make it clear: > > That's all history now anyway. We should try to do better the next time, > which is much more important, and that is the topic of this message. I don't want to stir up this discussion too much; I am sure you have many more important things to be working on. But I did want to make one observation. One side of the argument, I see a lot of "I would prefer it this way." And on the other side I see a lot of "this discussion is already history" and "but I do not care personally that much." It makes me wonder why nobody has said "no, really, I prefer it without the programs in /bin." Are they simply confident that the decision has been made, and don't feel the need to say something? I am just concerned that we are following a path that is not the best one because "it was decided" already, when perhaps: - the reasons for making that decision may have changed - the people interested in opposing that decision didn't speak up at the time, either because they weren't git users then, weren't as active in the mailing list, changed their minds, or were simply too lazy to read the release notes Again, I don't want to waste time (especially yours, Junio) with a discussion that is fruitless. But I also don't like to see "no, you are not allowed to bring fresh arguments to this decision". That precludes the possibility that the decision was wrong. Maybe the people who want to keep git-* can discuss amongst themselves (on the list, but the rest of us can ignore it) and present a concise argument why circumstances around this decision may have changed. -Peff