From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stephan Beyer Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:01:15 +0200 Message-ID: <20080717010115.GD18558@leksak.fem-net> References: <20080716220946.GC18558@leksak.fem-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Johannes Schindelin X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Jul 17 03:02:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJHt3-0006Fu-SR for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:02:26 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759105AbYGQBB1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:01:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759207AbYGQBB1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:01:27 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:46484 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1759066AbYGQBB0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:01:26 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jul 2008 01:01:24 -0000 Received: from q137.fem.tu-ilmenau.de (EHLO leksak.fem-net) [141.24.46.137] by mail.gmx.net (mp062) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 03:01:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1499303 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ekToyE2beBaY4PcSHCitdWbgn1mfIkdP5UuzNQP 0d5zH6bP+rTqm2 Received: from sbeyer by leksak.fem-net with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KJHrv-0005x1-G2; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:01:15 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6899999999999999 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Hi, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Stephan Beyer wrote: > > > I also think that for a user it is totally irrelevant if it is plumbing > > or porcelain she is using, as long as it works. I mean, if I tought > > someone using git, I'd never use the words "porcelain" or "plumbing". > > So you would say that remembering the name "rev-parse" is just as easy as > remembering "show"? "show" is an intuitional name, "rev-parse" is not.[1] But that wasn't my point. The point was, that it is not important to a user whether the tool is called "plumbing" or "porcelain"; that these terms have no value for the user, if she just wants to get a job done. Of course, "usually" porcelain is more helpful and as I've said (or at least tried to say), I don't think there is any plumbing that's useful for a git beginner. Regards, Stephan Footnote: 1. A further comment about the intuitionality or "remembering": git-apply is plumbing and has an intuitional name (hence easy to remember), git-am is porcelain and does not have one. -- Stephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F