From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jakub Narebski Subject: News reader woes (was: Re: [3/4] What's not in 1.5.2 (new topics)) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:35 +0200 Message-ID: <200705251155.36835.jnareb@gmail.com> References: <200705170539.11402.andyparkins@gmail.com> <7vsl9u55tv.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <20070520001610.GD4489@pasky.or.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Julian Phillips , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org To: Petr Baudis X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri May 25 11:51:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrWSC-0000aE-2o for gcvg-git@gmane.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:51:24 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761242AbXEYJup (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:45 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1761251AbXEYJup (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:45 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:44522 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1761242AbXEYJun (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:43 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so1081945ugf for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 02:50:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=i7WAW7Jj0f9xgX7/061tly1I9TUVK/xcWkxg7OcDQjF9lMh+inpP0sjI5bU/HFtJm0fkFMeF6EQT7/I72CPbl3eSuYMJQbjjMSSSrAJ/YwX/KNTMrcEwP+1h9S1ddDZSWEcNsxDFcbIlKS8EfXywYlaszn1UC3gPJWPOxTnMkQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=PzcLpR7IRUYGqaBXo+dnJYozRXMbQSn/XURRYnW9BPtkdvRe827qCXOQ1JWTqf2NgvVT14tdsudKl/f9qBm0v+7NkwOgzB7Wxfx2I58gAUSngqwHUlKi6FfXjpDpklyf8hu3Sq8tLH2g/JA/pFYtZCi1UNG0JROYSvg2Uz+OdBE= Received: by 10.67.32.19 with SMTP id k19mr2812726ugj.1180086641870; Fri, 25 May 2007 02:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host-89-229-25-173.torun.mm.pl ( [89.229.25.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w40sm556311ugc.2007.05.25.02.50.38; Fri, 25 May 2007 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 In-Reply-To: <20070520001610.GD4489@pasky.or.cz> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Sun, 20 May 2007, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:45:16PM CEST, Junio C Hamano wrote: >> Julian Phillips writes: >>> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Junio C Hamano wrote: >>>> Jakub Narebski writes: >>>> >>>>> [Cc: Petr Baudis , Josef Weidendorfer >>>>> , "Michael S. Tsirkin" , >>>>> Junio C Hamano , Andy Parkins , >>>>> Nicolas Pitre , git@vger.kernel.org] >>>> >>>> Offtopic. Why do you do this, and what benefit are you or >>>> anybody in the above list, which is in body part of the message, >>>> getting? >>> >>> It looks like he is posting through gmane using a news reader ... so >>> the list post comes from gmane while the CCs go out directly (I >>> assume). >> >> Ah, I see. The names listed on that in-body CC: do appear on >> the To: in the copy of the message that came via e-mail. If >> that is how gmane operates then there is nothing Jakub to do to >> improve it, I guess... >> >> Thanks for the clarification. > > Actually, Jakub, if it can be turned off, could you, please? > > Not getting cc'd on replies is slightly annoying. But this is highly > confusing - suddenly I must take care _not_ to reply to the private > copies, and we actually do have a parallel subthread of replies to your > mail not cc'd to the mailing list. :-( The problem, and mentioned above trying to overcome it, lies in complicated interaction between the GMane news to email gateway, vger mail filtering (spam protection rules) and the _news_ reader I use, namely KNode 0.10.2 from KDE 3.5.3. I read git mailing list via GMane NNTP (Usenet, news) interface: nntp://gmane.comp.version-control.git as I respond only rarely. I start new threads using email, and if I get reply via email I try to reply also from mail client, not via news. However, when replying to message which I read only via NNTP interface, replying in news client, I have option of sending reply only to gmane.comp.version-control.git which means sending email only to git mailing list and breaking Cc: list. Another option is to copy Cc: list manually to To: field (no Cc: in this version of KNode), and have gmane.comp.version-control.git in the Group: field. The fact that there is no Cc: to set is the problem of KNode. The problem with GMane and vger interaction lies in the fact that I _cannot_ put git@vger.kernel.org in the To: list, as somehow vger rejects mails sent via GMane (it does not rejects news messages send via GMane). I could also copy whole message to mail client, but this would break In-Reply-To: and references: headers, thus breaking threading. Do I understand correctly that you prefer 1st option, namely replying only to newsgroup / git mailing list? Note that changing news client is as hard as changing email client: you would like to migrate configuration, news state (read/unread articles) and sent/drafts folders to new news client. Not that easy. -- Jakub Narebski Poland