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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Pierre Tardy <tardyp@gmail.com>, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"peff@peff.net" <peff@peff.net>,
	Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"gitster@pobox.com" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	garimasigit@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Growing the Git community
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:02:16 -0400
Message-ID: <1b988670-381b-1c92-069b-3cb66254861c@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+soVcmMwy7GgLcV-m1kNEsHYirHMQQeFuEYZanbCNUK4_zHg@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/25/2019 9:36 AM, Pierre Tardy wrote:
>>> As a community, our number one goal is for Git to continue to be the best
>>> distributed version control system. At minimum, it should continue to be
>>> the most widely-used DVCS.
>>
>> I'd rather we stated our goal in terms of what problems we are trying
>> to address rather than accolades we want sent our way.  E.g. "Our goal
>> is to make developers more productive by providing them increasingly
>> useful version control software".

I'll repeat my appreciation for this redirection of focus.
 
> Agreed.
> And why restrict on DVCS?
> Isn't it admitted that the distributed version control is nowadays
> much better in term of software productivity?
> Is there some use cases that "traditional" centralized VCS are better
> on, and on which we gave up as a goal?

My intention was "let's be the best at what  Git is good at: distributed
version control." There are some legitimate reasons why someone would
pick something like Perforce instead.

Some things, like file locking, are just easier in centralized systems.
I know that Git-LFS created a locking mechanism that pushes even further
toward a centralized system. However, it relies on users following a
very careful pattern (lock, pull, edit, push, merge, unlock) to avoid
conflicts. Further, that only works if you are on a common trunk.
Release branches or forks do not have this concept.

Other extensions (like VFS for Git) remove a lot of the truly
distributed parts and focus instead on a central source of truth.
This works well for some organizations.

Getting on my personal soapbox: I think that we are improving Git
so much that people will have few strong reasons to choose other
DVCSs. Maybe "hg evolve" is why someone really loves Mercurial, and
we can work to build similar features. Maybe there is some repo
shapes where another tool is faster, but we could probably make Git
faster, too.

Thanks,
-Stolee

  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-25 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-19 16:30 Derrick Stolee
2019-09-19 17:34 ` Denton Liu
2019-09-19 20:43   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-09-19 22:26   ` Jeff King
2019-09-20 17:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-20 15:22   ` Garima Singh
2019-09-20 17:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-19 18:44 ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 19:12   ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 20:20     ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  5:04       ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  5:41         ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  6:54           ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  7:43             ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20 10:25               ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 21:40 ` Mike Hommey
2019-09-23 21:28   ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-10-01 15:03     ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-19 22:16 ` Jeff King
2019-09-20  2:17   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-09-20  2:23     ` Jeff King
2019-09-19 22:21 ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-25 13:36   ` Pierre Tardy
2019-09-25 14:02     ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2019-10-04 12:39       ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-25 14:14     ` Philip Oakley
2019-10-04 10:48   ` Jakub Narebski
2019-11-12 18:45   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-12 20:01     ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-11-13  6:45       ` Christian Couder
2019-11-13 15:06         ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-11-14  2:31           ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-14  6:06             ` Jeff King
2019-11-15  4:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-11-14  6:08             ` Pratyush Yadav
2019-11-14 10:01               ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-09-20 10:48 ` Philip Oakley
2019-09-20 14:36 ` brian m. carlson
2019-09-20 15:16   ` Randall S. Becker
2019-10-04 14:27   ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-20 15:20 ` Garima Singh
2019-09-20 17:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-20 18:52   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-23 12:36 ` Derrick Stolee
2019-09-23 21:46 ` Johannes Schindelin

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