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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1785661176-1634891636=:62 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: Team, after 10 failed attempts to send more notes, this might start to get a bit annoying on my side. On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > > > * Let's have public Git chalk talks > > > > > > You might wonder why I did not send out the notes for this talk. > > > > > > But that is not true! I sent it 6 times already, in various variatio= ns, > > > and it never came through (but I did get two nastygrams telling me t= hat my > > > message was rejected because it apparently triggered a filter). > > > > This session was led by Emily Shaffer. Supporting cast: =C3=86var Arnf= j=C3=B6r=C3=B0 > > Bjarmason, brian m. carlson, CB Bailey, and Junio Hamano. > > > > Notes: > > > > 1. What=E2=80=99s a public chalk talk? > > > > 1. At Google, once a week, the team meets up with no particular = topic in > > mind, or a couple topics, very informal > > > > 2. One person=E2=80=99s turn each week to give an informal talk = with a white > > board (not using chalk) > > > > 3. Topic should be technical and of interest to the presenter > > > > 4. For example: how does protocol v2 work > > > > 5. Collaborative, interactive user session > > > > 6. Helps by learning about things > > > > 7. Helps by honing skills like presentation skills > > > > 8. A lot of (good) humility involved. For example, colleagues wh= o have > > been familiar with the project for a long time admitting they= don=E2=80=99t > > know, or have been wrong about things. Makes others feel more > > comfortable with their perceived lack of knowledge > > > > 9. Could be good for everybody on the Git mailing list, might fo= ster less > > combative communication on the list > > > > 10. Might be a way to attract new people by presenting =E2=80=9Co= ld timers=E2=80=9D as > > humble > > > > 2. Does that appeal to anybody else? > > [redacting a word I suspect to have triggered vger's filter: it is a wor= d > starting with "T" and continuing with "witch". Whenever you read "[itch]= ", > that's what I substitued for the culprit] > > 3. =C3=86var: I think it would be great, has been a long time we=E2=80= =99ve seen each > other, and already feels different > > 4. One thing to keep in mind: it=E2=80=99s hard to program on a white = board :-) > > 5. Emily: some challenges: > > 1. How often? > > 2. What time? > > 3. Probably move things around (because we=E2=80=99re global) > > 4. Tech to use? Jitsi? [itch]? ([itch] seems to be particularly pop= ular to > teach programming) > > 5. Figure out what topics to present > > 6. =C3=86var: does not matter what tech to use > > 7. Emily: some difference may make it matter: on [itch], you can recor= d, and > they host recordings > > 8. One thing to worry about recording: people might be reticent to mak= e > public mistakes > > 9. It=E2=80=99s possible to do a [itch] stream, and not record it The brian m. carlson offered the idea to be considerate of reservations by participants, but also accommodate Git contributors who would have loved to see the presentation but were unable to attend due to timezones, time conflicts, etc: offer it for viewing only for a short while. to be continued > > > > > > I shall keep trying, but my hopes are pretty low by now. > > > > > > Ciao, > > > Johannes > > > > > > > * Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) > > > > * Improving Git UX > > > > * Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?,= etc) > > > > > > > > A few topics were left for a later date (maybe as public Git chalk= talks): > > > > > > > > * Making Git memory-leak free (already landed patches) > > > > * Scaling Git > > > > * Scaling ref advertisements > > > > * Config-based hooks (and getting there via migration ot hook.[ch]= lib & > > > > "git hook run") > > > > * Make git [clone|fetch] support pre-seeding via downloaded *.bund= le files > > > > > > > > Ciao, > > > > Johannes > > > > > > > > --8323328-1785661176-1634891636=:62--