From: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@talktalk.net>
To: Igor Djordjevic <igor.d.djordjevic@gmail.com>,
Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>
Cc: Jacob Keller <jacob.keller@gmail.com>,
Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>,
Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Rebasing merges: a jorney to the ultimate solution(RoadClear)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:36:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1580e48a-be44-38dd-79af-8a2a31c5712e@talktalk.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee809701-a6d8-157d-09cd-cebbf2e949ec@gmail.com>
On 02/03/18 23:33, Igor Djordjevic wrote:
> Hi Phillip,
>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:36 AM, Phillip Wood wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is interesting to think what it means to faithfully rebase a '-s
>>>> ours' merge.
>>>
>>> I should have explained that I mean is a faithful rebase one that
>>> adheres to the semantics of '-s ours' (i.e. ignores any changes in the
>>> side branch) or one that merges new changes from the side branch into
>>> the content of the original merge? In your example you add B4 to B. If
>>> M' preserves the semantics of '-s ours' then it will not contain the
>>> changes in B4. I think your result does (correct me if I'm wrong) so it
>>> is preserving the content of the original merge rather than the
>>> semantics of it.
>
> Yeah, I understood what you mean, and I see you noticed that B4
> commit, for which I did anticipate possibly bringing up a discussion
> like this ;)
>
> I agree with Jake here, my thoughts exactly (what I wrote in that
> other subthread[1], too):
>
> On 02/03/2018 17:02, Jacob Keller wrote:
>>
>> We only have the content, and we don't know the semantics (nor, I
>> think, should we attempt to understand or figure out the semantics).
>
> Hmm, I wanted to elaborate a bit here, but that sentence seems to
> summarize the pure essence of it, and whatever I write looks like
> just repeating the same stuff again...
>
> That`s just it. And stopping to give the user a chance to
> review/amend the result, where he might decide he actually did want
> something else - so all good.
>
> Otherwise, I would be interested to learn how context/semantics
> guessing could provide a better default action (without introducing
> more complexity for might not be much benefit, if any).
I don't think its possible to guess the semantics of the original merge
as users can use custom merge strategies and amend the result. It would
be possible to detect and unamended '-s ours' merge but special casing
that may end up causing users more confusion rather than helping them.
> But in the end, I guess we can just discuss the "most sane default"
> to present to the user (introduce or obsolete that new commit B4, in
> the discussed example[2]), as we should definitely stop for amending
> anyway, not proceeding automatically whenever U1' != U2'.
I can see the reason for that but I'm concerned that it might get
annoying with an interactive rebase as it would stop whenever one of the
commits on a topic branch that is a parent of a merge gets amended.
(squashing and reordering existing commits on a topic branch would be OK
though)
> Oh, and what about situations where we introduce new or drop existing
> branches (which should be possible with new `--recreate-merges`)...?
> "Preserving old branch semantics" may have even less sense here - the
> (possibly heavily reorganized) content is the only thing we have,
> where context will (and should) be provided by the user.
In this scheme there is now way to change the parents of a merge so
preserving the old branch sementics is well defined. If the user wants
to change the parents of the merge then this scheme wont help them.
> And I guess being consistent is pretty important, too - if you add
> new content during merge rebase, it should always show up in the
> merge, period.
Yes, that should make it easy for the user to know what to expect from
rebase.
> It seems pretty confusing to find out one of the
> branches "declared special" (even more if it`s based on uncertain
> guess-work), so when you add something to it it`s just "swallowed",
> as the whole branch is always obsoleted, for now and ever.
>
> I might even see a value in such behavior, but only as a conscious
> user action, not something done automatically... I guess? :)
>
> Regards, Buga
>
> [1] https://public-inbox.org/git/f26cdbe2-1bc3-02ff-7b99-12a6ebab5a70@gmail.com/
> [2] https://public-inbox.org/git/f1a960dc-cc5c-e7b0-10b6-39e5516655b3@gmail.com/
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-03-06 10:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-16 13:08 [RFC] Rebasing merges: a jorney to the ultimate solution (Road Clear) Sergey Organov
2018-02-18 4:16 ` Jacob Keller
2018-02-19 5:28 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-19 23:44 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-20 12:42 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-27 0:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-02-27 5:01 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-27 5:30 ` Jacob Keller
2018-02-27 16:21 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-02-27 18:55 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-27 19:59 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-27 23:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-02-28 2:12 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 4:35 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 6:14 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 20:53 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 5:44 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 19:42 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-27 23:40 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 0:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-28 2:35 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 5:27 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 0:36 ` Jacob Keller
2018-02-28 1:33 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 1:43 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 5:21 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 19:09 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-01 5:27 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 5:19 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 20:25 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-28 22:17 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-01 5:19 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-01 5:39 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-02 1:16 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-02 5:40 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-02 17:45 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-02 11:17 ` [RFC] Rebasing merges: a jorney to the ultimate solution(RoadClear) Phillip Wood
2018-03-02 12:36 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-02 16:02 ` Jacob Keller
2018-03-02 23:33 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-06 10:36 ` Phillip Wood [this message]
2018-03-06 18:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-06 19:43 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-07 7:26 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-08 11:20 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-08 12:16 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-08 16:05 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-11 12:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-11 16:33 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-12 10:37 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-12 12:56 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-13 0:01 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-26 12:03 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-27 5:08 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-27 13:35 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-04-02 6:07 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-12 23:54 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-13 6:25 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 15:56 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-11 12:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-11 17:34 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-12 10:46 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-13 0:16 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-26 13:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-27 5:51 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-27 13:49 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-28 5:57 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-30 13:41 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-30 16:36 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-28 5:57 ` Sergey Organov
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2018-03-28 11:29 ` Sergey Organov
[not found] ` <CA+P7+xo19mHrWz9Fy-ifgCcVJM2xwzcLj7F2NvFe2LwGbaJiDQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-03-29 5:53 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-30 10:38 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-30 12:36 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-30 13:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-30 15:13 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-28 12:10 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 16:07 ` Jacob Keller
2018-03-11 12:11 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-11 17:46 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-08 15:16 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-08 16:21 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-11 12:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-14 14:24 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-14 23:11 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-15 6:00 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-15 21:51 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-17 2:08 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-19 5:44 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-19 21:35 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-20 14:43 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 13:47 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-06 23:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-07 7:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-07 18:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-08 7:03 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-08 8:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-09 17:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-02 16:00 ` Jacob Keller
2018-03-02 18:14 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-03 17:29 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-05 5:35 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-02 11:31 ` [RFC] Rebasing merges: a jorney to the ultimate solution (Road Clear) Phillip Wood
2018-03-03 0:29 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-05 5:00 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-06 10:52 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-06 16:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-08 7:05 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-08 8:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-11 11:56 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-13 18:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-26 13:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-05 17:29 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-06 23:21 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-07 7:04 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-06 10:45 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-06 11:45 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 16:30 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-06 18:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-07 5:08 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-07 6:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-07 14:34 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 6:45 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-12 12:31 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 11:37 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-27 5:11 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-27 12:55 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-28 4:32 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 11:08 ` Phillip Wood
2018-03-05 17:52 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-13 16:10 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-14 1:12 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-14 7:21 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-15 0:09 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-15 7:52 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-15 23:08 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-16 7:31 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-17 3:04 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-19 6:01 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 14:11 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-02-28 0:29 ` Jacob Keller
2018-02-27 11:57 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-27 18:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-28 0:30 ` Jacob Keller
2018-02-28 5:54 ` Sergey Organov
2018-02-28 4:53 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-06 13:26 ` [RFC v2] " Sergey Organov
2018-03-07 6:46 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-07 13:27 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-07 14:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-07 15:16 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-08 7:01 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-12 12:42 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 11:50 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-08 19:58 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-08 20:27 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-08 22:05 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-08 23:31 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-11 15:47 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-11 20:53 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-12 10:20 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-12 13:49 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 12:44 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-27 5:32 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-13 0:29 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-26 13:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-12 13:07 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-11 15:40 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-11 22:04 ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-03-12 12:05 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-26 11:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-03-27 5:34 ` Sergey Organov
2018-03-12 22:41 ` Igor Djordjevic
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