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From: Tom Tobin <korpios@korpios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: On Tabs and Spaces
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:18:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1192565900.6430.16.camel@athena> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710161214530.6887@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 12:20 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The only sane solution is the one the kernel and git have always used: 
> tabs are 8 spaces wide, and anybody who disagrees can go screw themselves. 
> If you don't have 8-character tabs, you *will* get odd indentation.
> 
> And no, the answer is not to say "don't use tabs at all" and replace them 
> by spaces. The answer is *also* not "tabs are just for initial code 
> indents", because not only will most sane editors never even show the 
> difference, it's simply not how people work. So such a rule about 
> invisible things doesn't work.
[...]
> The fact that some projects have encouraged bad coding style and *insane* 
> tab values is not a git problem. We should teach people to do *better*, 
> not become worse just because others have done idiotic things.

I'm reading two different ideas here, and it seems like you're
conflating the two — and, in the process, telling some pretty smart
people (smarter than me, anyhow) to go fuck themselves.

If a project uses tabs, your statement regarding 8-char-width tabs makes
sense; you need some rule by which you can assume others are viewing the
same thing you are.

But you then dismiss out of hand the option of using all spaces; Python
has been getting along perfectly well for quite some time by following
this rule, and my experience with the language leads me to believe it's
the wiser of the choices.  Questions over tab width simply *go away*;
you pick an indentation level (Python uses 4) and stick with it.

I'm not arguing that git should switch to all spaces; projects tend to
become set in their ways, and consistency can be valuable.  I'm merely
pointing out that all-spaces is a quite *sane* option, even if it's one
git doesn't choose.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-16 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-16  6:45 On Tabs and Spaces Michael Witten
2007-10-16  7:04 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  7:27   ` Michael Witten
2007-10-16 17:20     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 17:40       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-16 23:09         ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-17  3:41           ` David
2007-10-17 11:32             ` Andy Parkins
2007-10-16  8:30 ` Adam Piatyszek
2007-10-16  9:04   ` Lars Hjemli
2007-10-16 10:16     ` Adam Piatyszek
2007-10-16 15:26       ` Jeffrey C. Ollie
2007-10-16 15:51         ` Michael Witten
2007-10-16 17:06           ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-16 19:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 19:36               ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-16 19:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 19:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 20:32                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-10-16 20:18               ` Tom Tobin [this message]
2007-10-16 23:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 23:51                   ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17  0:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17  3:08                       ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17  3:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17  7:17                       ` Luke Lu
2007-10-17  9:09                         ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17 10:03                           ` Luke Lu
2007-10-17 10:21                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2007-10-17 11:23                             ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17 22:02                           ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-17 22:36                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-17 23:38                               ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-18  4:31                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-10-18  8:19                                   ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-18 11:34                                     ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-18 11:39                                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2007-10-22  3:39                                         ` Miles Bader
2007-10-18  7:15                               ` David Kågedal
2007-10-18  5:42                             ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-18 10:36                               ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-17 15:53                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 18:05                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 18:25                           ` Tom Tobin
2007-10-17 18:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 19:33                               ` Tom Tobin
2007-10-17 19:44                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 19:48                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-17 19:52                                 ` Josh England
2007-10-17 19:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 21:21                                   ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17 22:03                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  6:25                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 22:11                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 23:17                                       ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17 23:44                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-18  0:31                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-18  6:02                                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-18  7:12                                             ` David Kågedal
2007-10-17 23:53                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 20:31                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 21:08                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 19:47                               ` Jan Wielemaker
2007-10-18  0:32                           ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  0:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  2:45                               ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  3:03                                 ` david
2007-10-18  3:00                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  3:32                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  4:17                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:13                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:23                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  4:41                                     ` [PATCH] Add a message explaining that automatic GC is about to start koreth
2007-10-18  4:44                                       ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-18  5:01                                       ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  5:11                                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-18 13:52                                       ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-10-18 14:16                                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-18 18:08                                           ` Jeff King
2007-10-19  0:16                                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-19  1:12                                             ` [PATCH] git-gc: improve wording of --auto notification Jeff King
2007-10-19  1:24                                               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-19  1:26                                                 ` Jeff King
2007-10-18 14:21                                         ` [PATCH] Add a message explaining that automatic GC is about to start Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-18  4:52                                 ` On Tabs and Spaces Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-18  4:54                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  4:55                                     ` Jeff King
2007-10-17 16:08                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 17:44                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-17 19:52                             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 17:51                           ` Sean
2007-10-17  5:56                   ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 20:56               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-18  3:31               ` Paul Wankadia
2007-10-18  4:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  4:36               ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-10-16 17:23         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 18:34           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-10-16 18:51             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-20 13:54 ` Robin Rosenberg

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