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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>, Petr Baudis <pasky@ucw.cz>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Merge with git-pasky II.
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:29:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1113578964.27227.65.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0504150740310.7211@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 07:53 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Files DO NOT matter. Never have. It's an implementation limitation to 
> think they do. You'll screw yourself up, and when somebody comes up with a 
> half-way efficient way to generate inter-fiel diffs, your architecture is 
> totally and utterly unable to handle it.
> 
> I don't care what you do at an SCM level, and if the crud you put on top
> of git wants to perpetuate mistakes of yesteryear, that's _your_ issue.  
> But dammit, git is designed to do the right thing, and I will fight tooth
> and nail against anybody who thinks individual files matter.

No, really: individual files _DO_ matter. There's a reason we split
stuff up into separate files, and if you look closely you'll find that
we don't just randomly put different functions into different files with
neither rhyme nor reason -- there's a pattern to it; usually some kind
of functional grouping.

And when I'm looking for the change that broke something, I can almost
always tell which file it's in and go looking in _that_ file. It's a
_whole_ lot easier to use the equivalent of 'bk revtool' than it is to
sift through all the unrelated commits in the whole tree. If that's an
implementation limitation, then it's an implementation limitation in my
_brain_ not just in my tools.

OK, in fact it shouldn't be 'show me the history of this file'; it's
often really 'show me the history of this function' which I want. But
that's fine. All I'm suggesting is that we should include the metadata
which says "content moved from file XXX to file YYY" along with the
commit objects.

I'm certainly not suggesting that we should implement jejb's idea of
explicit 'file revision history' objects -- the tree-based philosophy is
perfectly sane and sufficient. But we do _also_ need a little
information which allows us to track content as it moves around within
the tree, and the SCM has to have a sane way to filter out the noise
when we're looking for what broke. Yes, that's part of the SCM
functionality, and can live in an xattr-type field in the commit object
-- but it does need to be stored, and in practice I suspect it _will_ be
useful for merging too.

It's not about ditching the per-tree tracking and doing per-file
tracking instead. I agree that would be wrong. It's about storing enough
information to track what happened to given content as it moved around
within the tree.

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-15 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-14  0:29 Merge with git-pasky II Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 21:25 ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14  0:45   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 22:00     ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14  3:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-14  1:23       ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14  5:03         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-14  2:16           ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14  6:16             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-14  7:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14  8:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-14  8:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14  9:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-14 11:14               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14 12:16                 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 18:12                   ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14 18:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-14 19:59                       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14 20:20                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-15  0:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15  2:33                           ` Barry Silverman
2005-04-15 10:02                           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-15 15:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 16:01                               ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-15 16:31                                 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-15 17:11                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16 15:33                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2005-04-17 13:14                                   ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-15 19:20                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-16  1:44                               ` Simon Fowler
2005-04-16 12:19                                 ` David Lang
2005-04-16 15:55                                   ` Simon Fowler
2005-04-16 16:03                                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-16 16:26                                       ` Simon Fowler
2005-04-16 16:26                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16 23:02                                         ` David Lang
2005-04-17 14:52                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-17 15:08                                           ` Brad Roberts
2005-04-17 15:18                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-17 15:28                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-17 17:34                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-17 22:12                                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-17 22:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-17 23:29                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-17 23:34                                                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-17 23:53                                                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2005-04-18  0:49                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-18  0:55                                                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-17 23:50                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-18  4:16                                               ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2005-04-18  7:42                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-16 20:29                               ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2005-04-16 20:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15  2:21                       ` [Patch] ls-tree enhancements Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 16:13                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 18:25                           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15  9:14                       ` Merge with git-pasky II David Woodhouse
2005-04-15  9:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-15 10:05                           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-15 14:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-15 15:09                               ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-15 12:03                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2005-04-15 10:22                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-15 14:53                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 15:29                           ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2005-04-15 15:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 15:54                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-15 16:30                             ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-15 18:29                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-14 18:51                     ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14 19:35                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 20:01                       ` Live Merging from remote repositories Barry Silverman
2005-04-14 23:22                         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15  1:07                           ` Question about git process model Barry Silverman
2005-04-14 20:23                       ` Re: Merge with git-pasky II Erik van Konijnenburg
2005-04-14 20:24                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 23:12                       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14 20:24                         ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14 23:31                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 20:30                           ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14 20:37                             ` Christopher Li
2005-04-14 20:50                               ` Christopher Li
2005-04-15  0:58                           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-14 22:30                             ` Christopher Li
2005-04-15  7:43                               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15  6:28                                 ` Christopher Li
2005-04-15 11:11                                   ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                     ` <7vaco0i3t9.fsf_-_@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2005-04-15 18:44                                       ` write-tree is pasky-0.4 Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 18:56                                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 20:13                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 22:36                                             ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-16  0:22                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  1:13                                                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-16  2:18                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  2:49                                                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-16  3:13                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  3:56                                                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-16  6:59                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-16 15:34                                                 ` Re: Re: " Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 20:10                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 20:58                                           ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-15 21:22                                             ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 23:16                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 21:48                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] merge-trees script for Linus git Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 21:54                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] " Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 23:33                                             ` [PATCH 3/2] " Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16  1:02                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  4:10                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16  5:02                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  6:26                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16  8:12                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16  9:27                                                       ` [PATCH] Byteorder fix for read-tree, new -m semantics version Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16 10:35                                                       ` [PATCH 1/2] Add --stage to show-files for new stage dircache Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16 10:42                                                         ` [PATCH 2/2] " Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16 14:03                                                       ` Issues with higher-order stages in dircache Junio C Hamano
2005-04-17  5:11                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-17  5:31                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-17  6:01                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-17 10:00                                                         ` Summary of "read-tree -m O A B" mechanism Junio C Hamano
2005-04-16 15:28                                                       ` [PATCH 3/2] merge-trees script for Linus git Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16 16:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16 17:14                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 19:54                             ` Re: Merge with git-pasky II Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 10:22                           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 20:40                             ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-15 22:41                               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 19:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-15 20:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-14  0:30 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 22:11 ` git merge Petr Baudis
     [not found] <000d01c541ed$32241fd0$6400a8c0@gandalf>
2005-04-15 20:31 ` Merge with git-pasky II Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 23:00   ` Barry Silverman
2005-04-16  0:32     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-26 18:55 Bram Cohen
2005-04-26 19:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 20:30   ` Tom Lord
2005-04-26 20:31   ` Bram Cohen
2005-04-26 20:39     ` Tom Lord
2005-04-26 20:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 21:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 21:28       ` Bram Cohen
2005-04-26 21:36         ` Fabian Franz
2005-04-26 22:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 22:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-28  0:42           ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-26 21:26     ` Diego Calleja
2005-04-26 20:31   ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-26 20:44     ` Tom Lord

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