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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, newren@gmail.com, gitster@pobox.com,
	matheus.bernardino@usp.br, vdye@github.com,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse'
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:54:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <07454056-0123-876e-1a03-2b6b01497c1c@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmtd5tkj.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>

On 9/12/2021 5:58 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
...
>>  	cat >sparse_error_header <<-EOF &&
>> -	The following pathspecs didn't match any eligible path, but they do match index
>> -	entries outside the current sparse checkout:
>> +	The following paths and/or pathspecs matched paths that exist outside of your
>> +	sparse-checkout definition, so will not be updated in the index:
>>  	EOF
>>  
>>  	cat >sparse_hint <<-EOF &&
>> -	hint: Disable or modify the sparsity rules if you intend to update such entries.
>> +	hint: Disable or modify the sparsity rules or use the --sparse option if you intend to update such entries.
>>  	hint: Disable this message with \"git config advice.updateSparsePath false\"
>>  	EOF
> 
> ...this used to line-wrap at 80 characters, but is now a bit beyond
> that.
> 
> Maybe instead make these two into bullet-points?

Do you mean something like this?

	hint: If you intend to update such entries, try one of the following:
	hint: * Use the --sparse option.
	hint: * Disable or modify the sparsity rules.

> Also the third "Disable" looks a bit jarring at first, it seems like a
> continuation of the first message, but it's just the standard "disable
> this message" we tend to print out.

With the bullet points, this is no longer a concern.

> This commentary pre-dates this commit, but just in general:
> 
> I think the advice system is best used where there's an initial
> non-optional message, and then the advice elaborates on what happened,
> how to fix it. A good example is the "short object ID %s is ambiguous"
> in object-name.c.
>
> But in this case both messages are rather long. I'd think better would
> be something like (and I didn't look very deeply at the involved code):
> 
>     error("pathspec '%s' matched only outside sparse checkout")
> 
> I.e. in e.g. cmd_rm() we loop through the pathspecs, and we error on the
> first one, so to a first approximation why do we need to for sparse emit
> ALL the pathspecs we didn't match? if we're going to error out anyway
> shouldn'w we just error out on the first one?

If we don't list the entire set, then users will need to use trial
and error to discover how to get out of a bad state.
 
> But going on, I'd think this would be better overall (pseudocode):
> 
>     error("pathspec '%s' matched only outside sparse checkout")
>     if (advice_enabled(ADVICE_UPDATE_SPARSE_PATH)) {
>         char *list_str;
>         list_of_bad_pathspecs = make_that_list(my_pathspec_string_list, &list_str);
>   
>       if (list_of_bad_pathspecs.nr > 1)
>             /* Emit a message that details what's wrong, but also has a
>              * list of all the other pathspecs we'd also die on if the user */
>       else
>           /* Ditto, but no list *?

I'm not a fan of this "here's an error message for the first thing, but
the advice gives all the details" approach.

> Maybe I'm missing something with the sparse implemention, but I'd think
> going above & beyond and listing all failures is a bit much in either
> case, i.e. for non-sparse we have:
> 
>     $ git rm 'file-i-do-not-have' 'directory-i-do-not-have/'
>     fatal: pathspec 'file-i-do-not-have' did not match any files
>     $
> 
> I'd think in general a user who's screwed up and typo'd both isn't going
> to be much harmed by us noting the first, maybe they'll get another
> error then.
> 
> But usually it's obvious (e.g. you just ran the command in the wrong
> directory), so if you have a large list of pathspecs getting a firehose
> of all the things that didn't match can be less helpful due to being
> overrly verbose.

The difference here is a die() versus an error(). It would probably
be better to convert the die() into an error() and report all failures
rather than have the sparse-checkout changes start short-circuiting
and providing less data.

Thanks,
-Stolee

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-15 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-24 21:54 [PATCH 00/13] [RFC] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 01/13] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 02/13] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 03/13] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24  7:44   ` René Scharfe
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 04/13] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 05/13] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:06   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-27 22:50     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 17:54     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 06/13] add: skip paths that are outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:13   ` Matheus Tavares
2021-09-08 19:46     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 20:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 21:06     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 07/13] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:14   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 08/13] add: prevent adding sparse conflict files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:16   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 09/13] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:17   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 18:04     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 10/13] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:18   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 11/13] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:20   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-27 23:44     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-09-08 18:41     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 12/13] mv: add '--sparse' option to ignore sparse-checkout Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-28 14:18   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2021-08-24 21:54 ` [PATCH 13/13] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-15  5:22     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-15 16:17       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-15 16:32     ` Matheus Tavares
2021-09-15 16:42       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 22:17     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-13 15:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 22:21     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-15 14:41       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-15 14:54     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-15 16:43       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-15 16:59     ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-20 15:45       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 13:23   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-12 21:58     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-15 16:54       ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2021-09-15 20:18   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-20 17:45   ` [PATCH v3 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 22:52       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 23:06       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-23 13:37         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] dir: extract directory-matching logic Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-22 23:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-23 13:39         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-23 13:42           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-23 18:23             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-24 13:29               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-20 17:45     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24  6:08     ` [PATCH v3 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-24 15:39     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git mv' behavior Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 01/13] t3705: test that 'sparse_entry' is unstaged Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 02/13] t1092: behavior for adding sparse files Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 03/13] dir: select directories correctly Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 04/13] dir: fix pattern matching on dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-11-02  0:15         ` Glen Choo
2021-11-02  0:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-02 13:42             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-02 14:50               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-02 15:33                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03 14:40                   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-03 17:14                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 05/13] add: fail when adding an untracked sparse file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 06/13] add: skip tracked paths outside sparse-checkout cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 07/13] add: implement the --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 08/13] add: update --chmod to skip sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 09/13] add: update --renormalize " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 10/13] rm: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 11/13] rm: skip sparse paths with missing SKIP_WORKTREE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 12/13] mv: refuse to move sparse paths Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-24 15:39       ` [PATCH v4 13/13] advice: update message to suggest '--sparse' Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-27 15:51       ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git mv' behavior Elijah Newren
2021-09-27 20:51         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-18 21:28   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Sparse-checkout: modify 'git add', 'git rm', and 'git add' behavior Sean Christopherson
2021-10-19 12:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-19 16:50       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-20 13:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-20 14:28           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-22  2:28     ` [RFC PATCH] add|rm|mv: fix bug that prevent the update of non-sparse Matheus Tavares
2021-10-22  4:03       ` Matheus Tavares
2021-10-25 16:40       ` Derrick Stolee

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