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From: "Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>
To: "'Nathaniel Manista'" <nathaniel@google.com>, <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [ISSUE] Stop accessing, storing, and sharing the user's time zone
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:33:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <047b01d5ab92$159a8240$40cf86c0$@nexbridge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEOYnAQYMrNAe9s1V-0DVLdL-B_KpHMDP5e=yRnbCkMWdrvFHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On December 5, 2019 12:14 PM, Nathaniel Manista wrote:
> (This is also filed at https://bugs.chromium.org/p/git/issues/detail?id=43.)

Getting permission denied trying to access this.

> Affected Version: All? This has been bothering me at least a year.
> 
> What steps will reproduce the problem?
> 1. Author a commit.
> 2. "git log --pretty=fuller"
> 
> What is the expected output?
> The log will display that the timestamps of the commit have both the
> author time and committer time in UTC. Internally no part of the
> commit will have stored any time zone information and when the commit
> is shared with others no information about where the user was in the
> world at the time of the commit will be obtainable from it.
> 
> What do you see instead?
> Authoring and sharing a commit by default exposes the user's time zone.
> 
> Additional context:
> "commit --date=YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ss+0000" suffices to put the author
> time in UTC but not the commit time in UTC. But the user shouldn't
> have to pass a flag at all.
> 
> Where the user is in the world is PII that git ought not to record and
> make available as part of the user's software engineering (make
> available to colleagues, in the case of proprietary development, and
> make available to the world, in the case of open source). Git should
> entirely stop accessing, recording, and sharing the user's time zone,
> full stop. Failing that, git should by default stop accessing,
> recording, and sharing the user's time zone, but if individual users
> want to have their time zones on their commits, they can opt into it.
> Failing that, users should be able to add a .gitconfig line to ensure
> that all author timestamps, all committer timestamps, and any other
> information are in UTC.

My position has been UTC as the standard in all cases with storing LCT as an optional only. I like the opt-in concept. I currently am running a repository located at UTC+2, with developers at UTC-5. It is driving us a bit wonky. I would rather see only UTC.

Regards,
Randall


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-05 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-05 17:14 Nathaniel Manista
2019-12-05 17:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-05 17:33 ` Randall S. Becker [this message]
2019-12-05 17:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-05 17:53     ` Santiago Torres Arias
2019-12-05 18:00     ` Randall S. Becker
2020-09-30 23:21 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] adding user.hideTimezone for setting UTC timezone Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:21   ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] hideTimezone: add a user.hideTimezone config Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  0:17       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:07         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-01  0:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  0:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:41           ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:46             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:37         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:02       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:15         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-02 22:32           ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-03  4:57             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-30 23:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:51       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-01  0:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  2:44     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-02 21:17       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:53   ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] adding user.hideTimezone for setting UTC timezone Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  2:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  3:43       ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-01 15:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-08 19:49           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]             ` <CAEOYnASgxCE5NjhoSgDwyQyAmdLhw5UyFq_Fu==8q7y6uXGz6w@mail.gmail.com>
2020-10-09 16:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02 21:56         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02 22:06           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-03  3:50             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-03  4:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-03 19:53         ` brian m. carlson
2020-10-03 22:14           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02 21:42       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02 21:23     ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28 ` [WIP v2 0/2] experiment with commit option record-time-zone Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28   ` [WIP v2 1/2] Adding a record-time-zone command option for commit Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13 20:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-21  5:01       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-21 18:55         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-22 16:27           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-26  4:14             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28   ` [WIP v2 2/2] Demonstrate failing and passing tests Shengfa Lin

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