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[146.90.84.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 123-20020a1c1981000000b003c6c182bef9sm3007678wmz.36.2022.10.29.14.59.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 29 Oct 2022 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Smith X-Google-Original-From: Gavin Smith Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:59:01 +0100 To: Bruno Haible Cc: bug-gnulib@gnu.org, bug-texinfo@gnu.org Subject: Re: Avoid gnulib redefinitions - MDA Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Gavin Smith , Bruno Haible , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, bug-texinfo@gnu.org References: <1791297.4MS8fQxZnU@nimes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1791297.4MS8fQxZnU@nimes> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::432; envelope-from=gavinsmith0123@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x432.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "bug-gnulib" Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:48:41PM +0200, Bruno Haible wrote: > > Should we use the variables with the GL_ prefix now and is this something > > we can rely on? Or should we simply #undef fdopen and the other symbols? > > The way to avoid a particular MDA symbol definition (GNULIB_MDA_FDOPEN=0 > before April 2021, GL_GNULIB_MDA_FDOPEN=0 after April 2021) is an undocumented > functionality. It is not expected that it will break soon. The 2021-04-11 > change that you cited above was a once-in-a-decade change. But it may break > theoretically, since it is not in the form of a stable functionality. > (A stable, supported functionality would be something like a gnulib-tool > option and/or a module name.) Right, so it sounds like we are better off using #undef before including the Perl headers to avoid depending on undocumented functionalities. Thanks.