From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 385271F4B4 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59584 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kr2iq-000190-2f for normalperson@yhbt.net; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:42:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kr1yZ-0004r8-S8 for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:54:31 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::130]:46682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kr1yV-0002JG-OP for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:54:31 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id y19so17930443lfa.13 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=burtonini-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GF2Ws+ParP3KMKMmHm6TXIIzRzxSWR+4yuYcdNovqyc=; b=iLUC2fLBffCYizBkohkLQZLAsYD6xeFlKbMZ6IlaQyiPHOXuAoHJ2ykftRO+HuZ3Df 3PR2sUfNxy5/iapY6XveaJ423hAYSIW97HOyDdst1X4J6ga7bDVQAZd0whRlvf0/0C6V LTmXwhmzLQw3MHY/tM9zXrJYFRciuyPzOyw0Hh+RBstDBhDYYqz/PHwdewHsDdNCgSOX SCSs9L2ZYwb57OURxTyUvrJY7b7dsNcZWP62uTa7H7Dvd51EYHmjoS7dCs29y3UD4WKu a9NDJbS7m34cKsAfG3glwtYgB3y0ojt9Stgaj/IpNl80Q50HIpiunddMwiLn5vsuPIMy Ql0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GF2Ws+ParP3KMKMmHm6TXIIzRzxSWR+4yuYcdNovqyc=; b=ocEpieqoHQnF199JnY3XUpHLYlh3BiUCb96b8U/e0n7umnMbFdJy1FdztjVvtcyv0E 0odKL+ksZiWqMAX7rE3HUviRN9wiZ7B1/jYnnS8G+0ZF/BPwA4aLjUx97o9Rho4MVdgS NULXYpnOOjXS0q3zJZ5Vhr8LpcxTSv4AXty/UXdvdFamZ0wkElBoomxR74uG+7dBhUNG RPiN9cGUf954tCHSr7L6Wv1RmiXb+WQCqgGXauhZajOSghoZrxsteCIv3ajiOSjY9vm+ 6MOCjv7KWf0LuuqNmmphpMEfZA1OsfYjXZ9/FtU2SUa7/yPdyymPvBhgW98ssGZoT4P/ QS1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531vuBcY0Cvlb/mCELWFK2Y4WmHz2pd/7ZyT9sQhKcn7vmVIxGYt cW79jmZc+l8slxcpuymjZRDl94T7Ox5LKhxwqFr8Mg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyTgs8rYIuM4sxMoiMZg9N3sli8XItcWENcTxungjxY81H4iuYiDlQ4kixurCPju+3y/w9iPrNoe/9Ic6xWRD4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:20c1:: with SMTP id u1mr2954114lfr.549.1608483265137; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2341614.bDMEWdF0VO@omega> In-Reply-To: <2341614.bDMEWdF0VO@omega> From: Ross Burton Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request to revert the C version change To: Bruno Haible Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a55c2c05b6e831ae" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::130; envelope-from=ross@burtonini.com; helo=mail-lf1-x130.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:42:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: bug-gnulib@gnu.org, Autoconf , Zack Weinberg Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org Sender: "bug-gnulib" --000000000000a55c2c05b6e831ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 16:46, Bruno Haible wrote: > This patch is already in Gnulib since 2020-12-09. But when people > run 'autoreconf' on an existing released tarball, they are effectively > combining an older Gnulib with a newest Autoconf. > > Why do people do that? The point of tarballs is that you can run > './configure' right away. > > If people want to modify the build infrastructure, it would often be > more reasonable to start off the git repository of the package (possibly > from a specific release tag or release branch). Because it=E2=80=99s not uncommon to need newer config.status, or updated m= 4 files, or to patch Makefile.am or configure.ac. Ross > --000000000000a55c2c05b6e831ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 16:46, Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> wrote:
This patch is already in Gnulib since 2020-12-09. But when people
run 'autoreconf' on an existing released tarball, they are effectiv= ely
combining an older Gnulib with a newest Autoconf.

Why do people do that? The point of tarballs is that you can run
'./configure' right away.

If people want to modify the build infrastructure, it would often be
more reasonable to start off the git repository of the package (possibly from a specific release tag or release branch).

Because it=E2=80=99s not uncommon to need ne= wer config.status, or updated m4 files, or to patch Makefile.am or configure.ac.

Ross
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