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In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=131.179.128.68; envelope-from=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; helo=zimbra.cs.ucla.edu X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org Sender: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org On 2022-11-16 06:26, Michael Matz wrote: > char foobar(void); > int main(void) { > return &foobar !=3D 0; > } That still has undefined behavior according to draft C23, which says=20 behavior is undefined when foobar is (say) 'memset_explicit' because the=20 declaration 'char memset_explicit(void);' disagrees with draft C23's=20 declaration of 'memset_explicit'. It doesn't matter whether there's a=20 call to 'memset_explicit'. See draft C23 =C2=A76.2.7, which says "All=20 declarations that refer to the same object or function shall have=20 compatible type; otherwise, the behavior is undefined." If Clang's threatened pickiness were of some real use elsewhere, it=20 might be justifiable for default Clang to break Autoconf. But so far we=20 haven't seen real-world uses that would justify this pickiness for=20 Autoconf's use of 'char memset_explicit(void);'.