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People who want reproducible builds can run LC_ALL make && LC_ALL make check if they like to. This is no reason to significantly reduce the test suite's effectiveness for *all* users. > Perhaps we could try to get the best > of both worlds, by changing it to set LC_ALL to an English UTF-8 locale > if available, and the C locale if not. This still would prevent the GNU m4 test suite from producing a test failure for the aforementioned m4-1.4.19 regression (because the English locale has less variation regarding the decimal separator than the whole set of possible locales). Bruno