From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS22989 209.51.188.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF42E1F5AE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52874 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lrNFX-0000KA-N5 for normalperson@yhbt.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:09:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lrNFS-0000Ci-Mm for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:09:38 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lrNFP-0000bL-UT for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:09:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC96160095; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id cXeUu87Hh-tm; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C16E160100; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bbjmIS6Nc9Ee; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28884160095; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: two ill effects of maint.mk To: Bruno Haible References: <2220832.NeGGHjDtpa@omega> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <107ba812-c46d-243b-4644-bc3f17f0a89d@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:09:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2220832.NeGGHjDtpa@omega> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=131.179.128.68; envelope-from=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; helo=zimbra.cs.ucla.edu X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: bug-gnulib@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org Sender: "bug-gnulib" On 6/10/21 8:41 AM, Bruno Haible wrote: > The bad effects affect > * the developers who work from a git checkout + all users of the tarball > for packages that include GNUmakefile and maint.mk in their tarballs, > e.g. GNU findutils, GNU guile, GNU gzip, GNU libidn, GNU m4, GNU patch, > GNU poke. > * the developers who work from a git checkout only, for the other packages > that use this module, e.g. GNU emacs, GNU gettext. As I vaguely recall, that "export LC_ALL = C" was added so that builds were reproducible, which is a plus. Perhaps we could try to get the best of both worlds, by changing it to set LC_ALL to an English UTF-8 locale if available, and the C locale if not. Failing that, I suppose it'd be OK to simply remove the line and put up with less-reproducible builds.