From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on starla X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7466D1F44D for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=cs.ucla.edu header.i=@cs.ucla.edu header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C header.b=BzLQsccn; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ryYuH-0001kv-Vs; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ryYuF-0001fj-TL for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:03 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ryYuD-0002vc-Li for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCBB3C00E404; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10032) with ESMTP id RGcHOB3rFa00; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2823C00E405; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu CF2823C00E405 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1713712497; bh=6nAXR/wluipXqkyYT3IVAx+kd0XulbY/afanCrzROqI=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=BzLQsccnrEcpqLBSl079G+tlawVJGYLa6ulwCya/tUhMxPatBy3V7bZiCw5npMU6L RTn/G/t9d4i5eQ9ztCf5cVk0oHXd0Ui2/Jygt9ht+SHRx4qq/mmgwg0O7ISCeQGb2N 5K48K4aAxG+RvthzNUSSv3DBQdBRi/uEy7tILWDGLCzNN9P6Ib7flTaZjjq9mz3cUU Om82YlOQplPjOncKJmIWb71xANkMPqGxAjlO1/2VzL4AsV5DcDFF4Ba44AQTL0Zor9 zgGy3E/3yFZiyRtGEQEokpbTK5ZcgkDARUtsTkG11/K3qkZK/iTBuv5raRIdV/Zr9z S1fwZp/uX3dzg== X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP id ypeM_aPnUDB0; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.254.12] (unknown [47.154.17.165]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B43DD3C00E404; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0a611e5a-7d91-45e2-abd7-a0b89f418aa7@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: future Python evolution To: Bruno Haible , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, Bernhard Voelker References: <17575364.8ZXASUQcjA@nimes> <7136220.qmipIb0M8c@nimes> <0d69dedd-f4d6-4ca1-9c1c-c127656fc37b@bernhard-voelker.de> <21066443.Wb1LW67PtU@nimes> Content-Language: en-US From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department In-Reply-To: <21066443.Wb1LW67PtU@nimes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=131.179.128.66; envelope-from=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; helo=mail.cs.ucla.edu X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org Sender: bug-gnulib-bounces+normalperson=yhbt.net@gnu.org On 2024-04-21 07:50, Bruno Haible wrote: > But the concepts of the shell are stuck in the 40-years-ago past. True, but keeping things simple allows for optimizations like PaSH that can't reasonably be done to Python. https://binpa.sh/