From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from localhost (dcvr.yhbt.net [127.0.0.1]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5AC1F55B; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 00:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 00:27:06 +0000 From: Eric Wong To: Varun Varada Cc: meta@public-inbox.org Subject: Re: [Patch] Update 24-hour times to use two digits for the hour Message-ID: <20200606002706.GA3999@dcvr> References: <20200605220321.GA17860@dcvr> <20200605232757.GA28110@dcvr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: Varun Varada wrote: > Hi Eric, > > The issue of being able to determine whether a reply was on a > different day still arises with your method, as replies that occurred > before 12:00 on the same day would have the same problem. True, there's cases where reading the date column is necessary; but being able to optimize some cases is better than optimizing none. > Either way, > it is just as easy to see the changeover to the next day if it was a > leading zero, as that indicates a reset of the clock, and it seems > like quite a subjective preference. Maybe it's subjective, but having to parse whether a character is '0' is more effort for me than recognizing a space. My eyes don't have to be in focus to recognize a space. > Nevertheless, it seems like the trade-off of making users learn > something once vs. repetitively is a false one, given that most people > are already familiar with seeing times with leading zeroes as 24-hour > times, and furthermore reading ISO 8601 formats in general. The idea > of "teaching one thing" in order to make the "output intended for > humans" ultimately easier to read seems to defeat its original > purpose, since people would have to unlearn what they already learned > every time they quickly glance through the output. I hope you'll > reconsider. Sorry, no, users need to learn UIs once. Btw, please stop top-posting. IMHO, not quoting public emails at all is acceptable if you don't feel like deciding which parts to quote.