From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Adam Langley <agl@google.com>
Cc: "Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>, "Mike Hommey" <mh@glandium.org>,
"Brandon Williams" <bmwill@google.com>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
"Stefan Beller" <sbeller@google.com>,
"Jonathan Tan" <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Subject: Re: Which hash function to use, was Re: RFC: Another proposed hash function transition plan
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:12:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqr2yjwsb6.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq37azy7ru.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:52:53 -0700")
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
> Adam Langley <agl@google.com> writes:
>
>> However, as I'm not a git developer, I've no opinion on whether the
>> cost of carrying implementations of these functions is worth the speed
>> vs using SHA-256, which can be assumed to be supported everywhere
>> already.
>
> Thanks.
>
> My impression from this thread is that even though fast may be
> better than slow, ubiquity trumps it for our use case, as long as
> the thing is not absurdly and unusably slow, of course. Which makes
> me lean towards something older/more established like SHA-256, and
> it would be a very nice bonus if it gets hardware acceleration more
> widely than others ;-)
Ah, I recall one thing that was mentioned but not discussed much in
the thread: possible use of tree-hashing to exploit multiple cores
hashing a large-ish payload. As long as it is OK to pick a sound
tree hash coding on top of any (secure) underlying hash function,
I do not think the use of tree-hashing should not affect which exact
underlying hash function is to be used, and I also am not convinced
if we really want tree hashing (some codepaths that deal with a large
payload wants to stream the data in single pass from head to tail)
in the context of Git, but I am not a crypto person, so ...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-16 21:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-04 1:12 RFC: Another proposed hash function transition plan Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-05 2:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-06 0:26 ` brian m. carlson
2017-03-06 18:24 ` Brandon Williams
2017-06-15 10:30 ` Which hash function to use, was " Johannes Schindelin
2017-06-15 11:05 ` Mike Hommey
2017-06-15 13:01 ` Jeff King
2017-06-15 16:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-06-15 19:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-06-15 21:59 ` Adam Langley
2017-06-15 22:41 ` brian m. carlson
2017-06-15 23:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-06-16 0:17 ` brian m. carlson
2017-06-16 6:25 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-06-16 13:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-06-16 17:38 ` Adam Langley
2017-06-16 20:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-06-16 21:12 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2017-06-16 21:24 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-06-16 21:39 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-06-16 20:42 ` Jeff King
2017-06-19 9:26 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-06-15 21:10 ` Mike Hommey
2017-06-16 4:30 ` Jeff King
2017-06-15 17:36 ` Brandon Williams
2017-06-15 19:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-06-15 19:13 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-07 0:17 ` RFC v3: " Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-09 19:14 ` Shawn Pearce
2017-03-09 20:24 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-10 19:38 ` Jeff King
2017-03-10 19:55 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-28 4:43 ` [PATCH v4] technical doc: add a design doc for hash function transition Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-29 6:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-29 8:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-29 17:34 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-02 8:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-02 19:41 ` Jason Cooper
2017-10-02 9:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-02 19:23 ` Jason Cooper
2017-10-03 5:40 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-03 13:08 ` Jason Cooper
2017-10-04 1:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-06 6:28 ` RFC v3: Another proposed hash function transition plan Junio C Hamano
2017-09-08 2:40 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-08 3:34 ` Jeff King
2017-09-11 18:59 ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-13 12:05 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-13 13:43 ` demerphq
2017-09-13 22:51 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-14 18:26 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-14 18:40 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-14 22:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-13 23:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-14 18:45 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-18 12:17 ` Gilles Van Assche
2017-09-18 22:16 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-19 16:45 ` Gilles Van Assche
2017-09-29 13:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-29 14:54 ` Joan Daemen
2017-09-29 22:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-30 22:02 ` Joan Daemen
2017-10-02 14:26 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-18 22:25 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-26 17:05 ` Jason Cooper
2017-09-26 22:11 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-26 22:25 ` [PATCH] technical doc: add a design doc for hash function transition Stefan Beller
2017-09-26 23:38 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-26 23:51 ` RFC v3: Another proposed hash function transition plan Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-02 14:54 ` Jason Cooper
2017-10-02 16:50 ` Brandon Williams
2017-10-02 14:00 ` Jason Cooper
2017-10-02 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-02 19:37 ` Jeff King
2017-09-13 16:30 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-13 21:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-13 22:07 ` Stefan Beller
2017-09-13 22:18 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-14 2:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-14 15:23 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-14 15:45 ` demerphq
2017-09-14 22:06 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-13 22:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-13 22:27 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-14 2:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-14 12:39 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-14 16:36 ` Brandon Williams
2017-09-14 18:49 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-15 20:42 ` Philip Oakley
2017-03-05 11:02 ` RFC: " David Lang
[not found] ` <CA+dhYEXHbQfJ6KUB1tWS9u1MLEOJL81fTYkbxu4XO-i+379LPw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-06 9:43 ` Jeff King
2017-03-06 23:40 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-07 0:03 ` Mike Hommey
2017-03-06 8:43 ` Jeff King
2017-03-06 18:39 ` Jonathan Tan
2017-03-06 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-06 19:59 ` Brandon Williams
2017-03-06 21:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-03-07 8:59 ` Jeff King
2017-03-06 18:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-03-07 18:57 ` Ian Jackson
2017-03-07 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-08 11:20 ` Ian Jackson
2017-03-08 15:37 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-03-08 15:40 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-03-20 5:21 ` Use base32? Jason Hennessey
2017-03-20 5:58 ` Michael Steuer
2017-03-20 8:05 ` Jacob Keller
2017-03-21 3:07 ` Michael Steuer
2017-03-13 9:24 ` RFC: Another proposed hash function transition plan The Keccak Team
2017-03-13 17:48 ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-03-13 18:34 ` ankostis
2017-03-17 11:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
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