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From: Son Luong Ngoc <sluongng@gmail.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Martin Fick <mfick@codeaurora.org>,
	Taylor Blau <ttaylorr@github.com>, Sun Chao <16657101987@163.com>,
	Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Sun Chao via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] packfile: freshen the mtime of packfile by configuration
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:23:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL3xRKee3YmOrV_-4Tu6FmJyRnS2y-tdiAmXp5TjzL_WxQNrtw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v95czn7q.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:03 PM Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
<avarab@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *nod*
>
> FWIW at an ex-job I helped systems administrators who'd produced such a
> broken backup-via-rsync create a hybrid version as an interim
> solution. I.e. it would sync the objects via git transport, and do an
> rsync on a whitelist (or blacklist), so pickup config, but exclude
> objects.
>
> "Hybrid" because it was in a state of needing to deal with manual
> tweaking of config.
>
> But usually someone who's needing to thoroughly solve this backup
> problem will inevitably end up with wanting to drive everything that's
> not in the object or refstore from some external system, i.e. have
> config be generated from puppet, a database etc., ditto for alternates
> etc.
>
> But even if you can't get to that point (or don't want to) I'd say aim
> for the hybrid system.

FWIW, we are running our repo on top of a some-what flickery DRBD setup and
we decided to use both

  git clone --upload-pack 'git -c transfer.hiderefs="!refs"
upload-pack' --mirror`

and

  `tar`

to create 2 separate snapshots for backup in parallel (full backup,
not incremental).

In case of recovery (manual), we first rely on the git snapshot and if
there is any
missing objects/refs, we will try to get it from the tarball.

>
> This isn't some purely theoretical concern b.t.w., the system using
> rsync like this was producing repos that wouldn't fsck all the time, and
> it wasn't such a busy site.
>
> I suspect (but haven't tried) that for someone who can't easily change
> their backup solution they'd get most of the benefits of git-native
> transport by having their "rsync" sync refs, then objects, not the other
> way around. Glob order dictates that most backup systems will do
> objects, then refs (which will of course, at that point, refer to
> nonexisting objects).
>
> It's still not safe, you'll still be subject to races, but probably a
> lot better in practice.

I would love to get some guidance in official documentation on what is the best
practice around handling git data on the server side.

Is git-clone + git-bundle the go-to solution?
Should tar/rsync not be used completely or is there a trade-off?

Thanks,
Son Luong.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-15  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-10 19:01 [PATCH] packfile: enhance the mtime of packfile by idx file Sun Chao via GitGitGadget
2021-07-11 23:44 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-12 16:17   ` Sun Chao
2021-07-14  1:28 ` [PATCH v2] packfile: freshen the mtime of packfile by configuration Sun Chao via GitGitGadget
2021-07-14  1:39   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-14  2:52     ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-14 16:46       ` Sun Chao
2021-07-14 17:04         ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-14 18:19           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-14 19:11             ` Martin Fick
2021-07-14 19:41               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-14 20:20                 ` Martin Fick
2021-07-20  6:32                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-15  8:23                 ` Son Luong Ngoc [this message]
2021-07-20  6:29                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-14 19:30             ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-14 19:32               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-14 19:52                 ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-14 21:40               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-15 16:30           ` Sun Chao
2021-07-15 16:42             ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-15 16:48               ` Sun Chao
2021-07-14 16:11     ` Sun Chao
2021-07-19 19:53   ` [PATCH v3] " Sun Chao via GitGitGadget
2021-07-19 20:51     ` Taylor Blau
2021-07-20  0:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-20 15:07         ` Sun Chao
2021-07-20  6:19       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-20 15:34         ` Sun Chao
2021-07-20 15:00       ` Sun Chao
2021-07-20 16:53         ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-15 17:08     ` [PATCH v4 0/2] " Sun Chao via GitGitGadget
2021-08-15 17:08       ` [PATCH v4 1/2] packfile: rename `derive_filename()` to `derive_pack_filename()` Sun Chao via GitGitGadget
2021-08-15 17:08       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] packfile: freshen the mtime of packfile by bump file Sun Chao via GitGitGadget

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