From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A051F4B4 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 23:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231652AbhDSXLc (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:11:32 -0400 Received: from omta015.useast.a.cloudfilter.net ([34.195.253.206]:56168 "EHLO omta015.useast.a.cloudfilter.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232461AbhDSXLb (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:11:31 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 429 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:11:31 EDT Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.16.209]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id YYMClAejg8ZfxYcvmltSPm; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 23:03:51 +0000 Received: from thunderbird.smith.home ([68.3.0.229]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id YcvjlDMFvSBdlYcvkl2It9; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 23:03:50 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=ischis2@cox.net X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=Kf0XDSUD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=607e0c56 a=6gJgLgZylzTWeuChIFeG9A==:117 a=6gJgLgZylzTWeuChIFeG9A==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3YhXtTcJ-WEA:10 a=-mUlzGMA1ef-VhCND9MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from thunderbird.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunderbird.smith.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF522E0013C; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:03:47 -0700 (MST) From: Stephen Smith To: Sebastian Schuberth , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C6var_Arnfj=F6r=F0?= Bjarmason , Git Mailing List , patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org Subject: Re: Pain points in Git's patch flow Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:03:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3913391.baLtWKaSvh@thunderbird> In-Reply-To: <20210419214921.afurkxy7oru6bny6@nitro.local> References: <20210419214921.afurkxy7oru6bny6@nitro.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfCEF0F6066bcUlFsl5I1ovAeA3wkZ9TvkdXu7AwLwSOTRkJ3XTQNwcloIAs65UdtrqWmoiNR6gaZgdyPZDrkJqUbuPDgVx5cxLP/HqjTo+AxEV8VQ5kM pJl0qLdf/fjIhkB0YNIphHryz7d3tL43AA3CCJT/RQhUHcS/Dqs+a+TqiYZ1YaHxPU2nMdNl29bE77xkmZMuHugH5Bb00/RvMR+56Nao+Vg9HR5W9jQG53jm yQ5S4z7LKczAAA/Ln9VuJ/6n8SC9mdjTwFugYw1byqI+ps2ukzwQ8yfzwl0koAdZ Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Monday, April 19, 2021 2:49:21 PM MST Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 07:54:37AM +0200, Sebastian Schuberth wrote: > > That's a good point, I admit I haven't thought of that. Probably > > because I also don't care much. So *does* it really matter? What > > exactly concerns you about a "centralized entity"? Is it the technical > > aspect of a single point of failure, or the political / social aspect > > of being dependent on someone you do not want to get influenced by? I > > guess it's a bit of both. > > It's all of the above, and really should not be discounted. Let's take what > Russian government is doing lately as an example. In its effort to control > social dissent, Russian censorship organization RosKomNadzor (RKN) has taken > steps to deliberately break internet operation -- in a very ham-fisted way. It can be other things too. For instance a corporation that for a variety of reasons has an urgent need to restrict internet traffic. Email will usually get through, but web site traffic may not. While Github is unlikely to get taken offline, other sites that hold data may not be so lucky. Think bankrupcy or other issues. Email traffic allows for routing around such issues.