From: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Whinis <Whinis@whinis.com>
Cc: alexsmith@gmail.com, don@goodman-wilson.com, git@vger.kernel.org,
gitster@pobox.com, sandals@crustytoothpaste.net,
sergio.a.vianna@gmail.com, simon@bocoup.com
Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:30:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200616133054.2caiwqwp5mlmb54a@chatter.i7.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3cd5d8b9-a9f8-fbd1-f218-622f70e45566@whinis.com>
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 07:38:33AM -0400, Whinis wrote:
> >
> > This sickens me.
> Not just that, any twitter use can complain and get entire communities to
> throw out all rules on changes to appear to be on the "right" side. If
> anyone submitted a patch to change any functioning name without good reason,
> especially one assumed to never change and would likely break a significant
> number of external processes it would be denied without second thought. Here
> the entire thread didn't ask should we change it but instead started on the
> premise, even though this is documented throughout the world and millions or
> even billions of scripts and programs assume it to be constant, it must
> change without discussion.
Let's leave emotionally charged rhetoric and discuss this like
reasonable human beings.
Here are facts:
1. Git is distributed software. It's not a central service and it does
not manage any code hosting platforms. It has no control over what
Github, Gitlab, whatnot or other decide to do. If you don't like what
they are doing, take it up with them and keep it off this list.
2. Branch naming is entirely the choice of individual repository
maintainers. Some prefer not to have a "master" branch, and it's not
simply because of "political correctness" reasons as everyone
insists:
- they may prefer to have "stable" and "development" branches
- they may want to use localized names for all their naming
conventions (using Cyrillic, Hanzi, Kana, whatever)
- they may be goofing off (there's a furry-related repository on
GitHub with the main branch called "yiffed")
3. In your example, "millions and billions" of scripts are already wrong
if they assume that there is always a "master" branch. However, it
doesn't matter, because unless someone actively renames a branch in
an existing repo that they work with, they will continue working just
fine. Nobody is talking about banning the use of the word "master"
for any existing branches. I am 100% certain that Linux mainline will
continue to happen in refs/heads/master, because the fallout of
renaming that would be terrible.
4. In Git, local branch names do not need to map to remote branch names.
Your local branch "upstream" can track remote branch "development".
If the remote branch gets renamed, you simply update your
configuration and continue without change.
5. The change proposal has two parts to it:
1. Allow users of Git to designate another branch as their primary.
As Junio pointed out, Git treats one of the branches as special,
but currently that is hardcoded to "master". This change will make
this configurable so that projects with different naming
conventions can designate some other branch as their primary.
I've seen no objection to this from anyone.
2. Consider if the default branch created during "git init" should be
called "master" or if it should be called something else. Options
are to keep it "master" for legacy reasons or to make it something
more descriptive like "main". Since this would be merely the
default configuration option, packagers and sysops can set it to
be whatever they like via /etc/gitconfig, and individual
developers can set this in their ~/.gitconfig.
I invite anyone to show just how any of the above is unreasonable.
-K
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-16 13:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-04 17:20 Rename offensive terminology (master) Simon Pieters
2020-05-04 17:43 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-05-04 23:10 ` N6Ghost
2020-05-04 17:45 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-05-04 18:31 ` Simon Pieters
2020-05-04 17:53 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-05-04 18:18 ` Randall S. Becker
2020-05-05 23:16 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-09 15:16 ` Simon Pieters
2020-06-09 16:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 16:28 ` demerphq
2020-06-09 18:10 ` Johannes Sixt
2020-06-09 19:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 20:52 ` Simon Pieters
2020-06-09 21:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-09 21:29 ` Simon Pieters
2020-06-10 9:51 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-06-10 11:16 ` Kevin Swinton
2020-06-10 12:18 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-10 16:30 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 0:03 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 0:00 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 0:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 0:50 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 6:32 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14 6:34 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14 8:47 ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-14 8:48 ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-14 12:07 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16 7:31 ` demerphq
2020-06-16 8:38 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 19:33 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-17 1:17 ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-17 7:45 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 10:04 ` Alex Smith
2020-06-16 11:29 ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-06-16 11:39 ` Robert P. J. Day
2020-06-16 11:39 ` Oleg
2020-06-17 7:27 ` Sergey Organov
[not found] ` <c0c2d9ad-1d67-8ebe-0063-524005ca97fe@whinis.com>
2020-06-16 11:38 ` Whinis
2020-06-16 12:16 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 13:30 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev [this message]
2020-06-16 13:55 ` John Turner
2020-06-16 14:14 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-16 14:29 ` Whinis
2020-06-16 16:19 ` Alex Smith
2020-06-16 15:49 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 16:09 ` Whinis
2020-06-16 14:24 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16 14:27 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 16:03 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 17:27 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 17:42 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 18:35 ` Sergey Lapin
2020-06-16 19:03 ` Oleg
2020-06-09 16:06 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-09 19:01 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14 0:05 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:08 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-14 8:49 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 19:17 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 2:16 ` Taylor Blau
2020-06-15 2:54 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-09 22:36 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-16 8:50 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-10 21:30 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-10 22:35 ` Edward Thomson
2020-06-10 22:51 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-11 11:52 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-11 11:59 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-11 12:52 ` Derrick Stolee
2020-06-11 15:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 2:59 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-15 10:07 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-12 13:21 ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-14 0:41 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-14 10:54 ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-14 12:20 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 13:58 ` Don Goodman-Wilson
2020-06-14 14:05 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 3:52 ` Andrew Ardill
2020-06-15 4:45 ` J. Paul Reed
2020-06-15 5:19 ` Andrew Ardill
2020-06-17 8:27 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-14 18:19 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 18:23 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:04 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 19:08 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 19:16 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-14 20:41 ` Philip Oakley
2020-06-16 7:36 ` demerphq
2020-06-16 7:43 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-16 8:01 ` demerphq
2020-06-16 8:59 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-17 19:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-17 20:10 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-17 20:17 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-18 7:57 ` demerphq
2020-06-18 8:38 ` Oleg
2020-06-18 10:17 ` demerphq
2020-06-18 15:23 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-18 7:40 ` demerphq
2020-06-18 18:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 21:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-14 21:15 ` Eric Wong
2020-06-14 21:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-15 18:07 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-15 18:18 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
[not found] ` <CAAwdEzDgJuoQJAZsrT0piuZPVP6nJTSB9RCbcuXO03-BYTnmOQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-06-15 19:37 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 19:50 ` Alexandru Pătrănescu
2020-06-15 20:44 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-15 20:42 ` Randall S. Becker
2020-06-15 0:34 ` James Ramsay
2020-06-15 21:38 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-15 21:46 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-16 21:07 ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-17 7:49 ` Oleg
2020-06-17 20:48 ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-18 8:28 ` Oleg
2020-06-17 20:52 ` ZeeVriend
2020-06-13 23:56 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-13 23:53 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-14 14:59 ` Thomas Adam
2020-06-14 8:04 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 15:13 ` Michael Felt (aixtools)
2020-06-14 8:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-06-14 15:51 ` George Of The Jungle
2020-06-14 15:20 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 0:02 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 14:39 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 14:39 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-15 23:15 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-16 1:00 ` Fang-Pen Lin
2020-06-16 1:38 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-21 19:50 ` Social Justice Movements [was: Rename offensive terminology (master)] Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2020-06-23 23:21 ` Rename offensive terminology (master) Gunnar Liljas
2020-06-24 1:16 ` Whinis
2020-06-24 8:19 ` lego_12239
2020-06-26 10:08 ` Gunnar Liljas
2020-06-26 10:34 ` Oleg
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2020-06-16 0:16 Abram Wiebe
2020-06-16 0:23 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-16 12:54 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 15:53 ` Sérgio Augusto Vianna
2020-06-17 11:34 Alastair Houghton
2020-06-17 11:49 ` Oleg
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2020-06-17 12:27 ` Zac McChesney
[not found] <'CAOAHyQyn_ow7_nCJ+Jorr76_=1=_kuBAD1KhqReqVfRQQbmgiw@mail.gmail.com'>
2020-06-26 18:37 ` Neil Stoddard
2020-06-29 8:59 ` Michal Suchánek
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