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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder@ira.uka.de>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] core.abbrev: raise the default abbreviation to 12 hexdigits
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:15:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160929091509.2n4mdrevwxechqol@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160929024400.22605-1-szeder@ira.uka.de>

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 04:44:00AM +0200, SZEDER Gábor wrote:

> >     So 12 seems reasonable, and the only downside for it (or for "13", for
> >     that matter) is a few extra bytes. I dunno, maybe people will really
> >     hate that, but I have a feeling these are mostly cut-and-pasted anyway.
> 
> I for one raise my hand in protest...
> 
> "few extra bytes" is not the only downside, and it's not at all about
> how many characters are copy-and-pasted.  In my opinion it's much more
> important that this change wastes 5 columns worth of valuable screen
> real estate e.g. for 'git blame' or 'git log --oneline' in projects
> that don't need it and certainly won't ever need it.

True. The core of the issue is that we really only care about this
minimum length when _storing_ an abbreviation, but we don't know when
the user is just looking at it in the moment, and when they are going to
stick it in a commit message, email, or bug tracker.

In an ideal world, anybody who was about to store it would run "git
describe" or something to come up with some canonical reference format.
And we could just bump the default minimum there. Personally, I almost
exclusively cite commits as the output of:

  git log -1 --pretty='tformat:%h (%s, %ad)' --date=short

and I'd be fine to stick "--abbrev=12" in there for future-proofing. But
I don't know what the kernel or other projects do.

I'd also be curious to know if the patch I sent in [1] to more
aggressively prefer commits would make this less of an issue, and people
wouldn't care as much about using longer hashes in the first place. So
one option is to merge that (and possibly even make it the default) and
see if people still care in 6 months.

-Peff

[1] http://public-inbox.org/git/20160927123801.3bpdg3hap3kzzfmv@sigill.intra.peff.net/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-29  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-26  1:39 Changing the default for "core.abbrev"? Linus Torvalds
2016-09-26  3:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26  4:34   ` Jeff King
2016-09-26  4:45     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 11:57       ` [PATCH 0/10] helping people resolve ambiguous sha1s Jeff King
2016-09-26 11:59         ` [PATCH 01/10] get_sha1: detect buggy calls with multiple disambiguators Jeff King
2016-09-26 16:37           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 17:21             ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 17:50               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 11:59         ` [PATCH 02/10] get_sha1: avoid repeating ourselves via ONLY_TO_DIE Jeff King
2016-09-26 11:59         ` [PATCH 03/10] get_sha1: propagate flags to child functions Jeff King
2016-09-26 11:59         ` [PATCH 04/10] get_short_sha1: peel tags when looking for treeish Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:11           ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 16:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 17:23             ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 05/10] get_short_sha1: refactor init of disambiguation code Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 06/10] get_short_sha1: NUL-terminate hex prefix Jeff King
2016-09-26 17:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 17:25             ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 17:36               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 07/10] get_short_sha1: mark ambiguity error for translation Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 08/10] sha1_array: let callbacks interrupt iteration Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 09/10] for_each_abbrev: drop duplicate objects Jeff King
2016-09-26 12:00         ` [PATCH 10/10] get_short_sha1: list ambiguous objects on error Jeff King
2016-09-26 16:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-27  5:42             ` Jacob Keller
2016-09-27 12:38             ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 13:01             ` Kyle J. McKay
2016-09-29 13:24               ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 14:36                 ` Kyle J. McKay
2016-09-29 14:55                   ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 17:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-26 17:34             ` Jeff King
2016-09-26 17:39               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 11:46           ` Kyle J. McKay
2016-09-29 13:03             ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 17:19               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  5:51                 ` Jacob Keller
2019-02-04 16:12     ` [RFC/PATCH] core.abbrev doc: document and test the abbreviation length Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-04 19:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-04 20:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-04 21:36         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-04 23:32         ` Jeff King
2019-02-04 23:50           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-06 18:29             ` Jeff King
2019-02-06 18:36               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2016-09-26  6:33   ` Changing the default for "core.abbrev"? Matthieu Moy
2016-09-26 12:09     ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 13:01   ` Kyle J. McKay
2016-09-26  7:13 ` Christian Couder
2016-09-28 23:30 ` [PATCH 0/4] raising core.abbrev default to 12 hexdigits Junio C Hamano
2016-09-28 23:30   ` [PATCH 1/4] config: allow customizing /etc/gitconfig location Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29  9:53     ` Jakub Narębski
2016-09-29 17:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 17:45         ` Matthieu Moy
2016-09-28 23:30   ` [PATCH 2/4] t13xx: do not assume system config is empty Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29  9:01     ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 18:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 18:26         ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 18:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 19:18             ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 19:57               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 19:06           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 19:26             ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 21:03               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 21:08                 ` Jeff King
2016-09-28 23:30   ` [PATCH 3/4] worktree: honor configuration variables Junio C Hamano
2016-09-28 23:30   ` [PATCH 4/4] core.abbrev: raise the default abbreviation to 12 hexdigits Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29  2:44     ` SZEDER Gábor
2016-09-29  5:27       ` Lukas Fleischer
2016-09-29  9:22         ` Jeff King
2016-09-29  9:15       ` Jeff King [this message]
2016-09-29 10:03         ` Matthieu Moy
2016-09-29 12:52         ` SZEDER Gábor
2016-09-29  5:58     ` Johannes Sixt
2016-09-29 18:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 18:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 18:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 19:06             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 19:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  0:56               ` Mike Hommey
2016-09-30  1:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30 19:41                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2016-09-29 19:16             ` Jeff King
2016-09-29 19:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 19:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 21:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 23:13                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-29 23:20                       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  0:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  0:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  0:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  1:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  3:54                               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  4:10                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  4:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  4:29                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  4:27                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  4:35                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30 18:40                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30 18:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30 19:00                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  4:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30  8:06                               ` Jeff King
2016-09-30 17:54                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30 18:05                                   ` Jeff King
2016-09-30 18:21                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-30 20:01                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30 17:56                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-30  7:47                       ` Jeff King
2016-09-29  9:25     ` Jeff King

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