From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACCA1F859 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932404AbcHIS2E (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:28:04 -0400 Received: from dcvr.yhbt.net ([64.71.152.64]:35748 "EHLO dcvr.yhbt.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932271AbcHIS2B (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:28:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (dcvr.yhbt.net [127.0.0.1]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F651F859; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:28:00 +0000 From: Eric Wong To: Michael Haggerty Cc: Johannes Schindelin , Stefan Beller , Junio C Hamano , Git Mailing List , Eric Sunshine , Jeff King , Johannes Sixt , Duy Nguyen , Jakub =?utf-8?B?TmFyxJlic2tp?= , Richard Ipsum , Josh Triplett , Lars Schneider , Philip Oakley Subject: Re: patch submission process, was Re: [PATCH v6 06/16] merge_recursive: abort properly upon errors Message-ID: <20160809182800.GA19044@dcvr> References: <8ff71aba37be979f05abf88f467ec932aa522bdd.1470051326.git.johannes.schindelin@gmx.de> <6c937f79-2b82-619d-51fe-adccbe09bd66@alum.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6c937f79-2b82-619d-51fe-adccbe09bd66@alum.mit.edu> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Michael Haggerty wrote: > On 08/04/2016 05:58 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > [...] > > Even requiring every contributor to register with GitHub would be too much > > of a limitation, I would wager. > > [...] > * Discussion of pull requests can be done either > * via the website (super easy for beginners but powerful for > experienced users), > * by setting up email notifications for your account and replying to > those emails, or > * via an API. > Such discussion is all in markdown, which supports light formatting, > hyperlinks, and @-mentions. > Disclaimer: I work for GitHub, but in this email I'm speaking for myself. > > Michael > > [1] I concede that people who refuse on ideological grounds to use > proprietary software will find this step insurmountable. Perhaps we > could come up with a workaround for such people. I'm one of those ideological people and I don't see an acceptable workaround. GitHub already has misfeatures designed to lock people in into centralized messaging: * pull request feature doesn't work for self-hosted repos (this disincentivizes people from running and improving git-daemon/git-http-backend/etc...) * "noreply" email addresses * @-mentions you wrote about * custom email notifications This is a problem with Gitlab, Redmine, etc, too: they cannot interoperate with each other. At least for now, large proprietary mail providers like Gmail still interoperate with whatever Free Software SMTP software I run. I dread the day when that is no longer true. Some of these problems I hope public-inbox (or something like it) can fix and turn the tide towards email, again. In contrast, public-inbox is designed to push decentralization: * "reply" links are instructions for "git send-email" which encourage reply-to-all (this applies to what Jeff said about vger going down, I noticed it, too) * anybody can clone the code + repo, replicate the instances, and tweak it to their needs. * public-inbox.org/git/$MESSAGE_ID/t.atom allows subscriptions to Atom feeds without any registration or user-tracking * Message-IDs are exposed for proper threading and interop * low-bandwidth, Tor-friendly design to encourage deployments even behind NATs and firewalls. Anyways, my optimistic side might interpret your advocacy as GitHub already feeling threatened by public-inbox. I certainly wouldn't expect it at this stage, but I certainly hope it will be the case one day :) Disclaimer: I've always been willing to risk a lifetime of unemployment for ideology.